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Post by B.B. Andersen on Jul 1, 2008 12:07:58 GMT -4
BB it's not a change of heart. Yes, I was bitter when you betrayed me in the long run but in spite of it all, you played a marvelous game and I do like you. But according to Ramona you have all these hard mean nasty feelings towards me which I don't quite understand. Because I thought we at least bonded (other than aligned) throughout this game. Please elaborate...
Also, did you and Ramona know eachother coming into this ORG?
I viewed you as my enemy in this game..or perhaps rival is a better word. I knew very early on that there was no way we both could get close to the end. You may say you wouldnt now, but I bet if we were both in the game near the end you would have tried to take me out. I wouldnt blame you..its the nature of the game.
When you went out and started acting really bitter I lost alot of respect for you and nasty things may have been said. I thought you were better then that. Survivor isnt a very nice game..and if you want to do well you have to lie unfortunatly. I thought you would be someone who understood the game. I am glad to see that with time you were able to realize that. I know when I play games and get voted out I get bitter..but I try not to say anything or really act that way. I take some time and look at it from the perspecitive of the other players to get a better understanding of why they did what they did.
Me and Ramona did not know each other prior to this game. Ramona and Gretchen were the only 2 people to talk to me over MSN. I am always on MSN and unlike myself and Gretchen me and Ramona are in the same time zone. Me and Ramona talked alot over MSn about not just the game...but about everything. We had alot of debates about Canadian politics (we are both Canadian). I was closest to Ramona and Gretchen in this game just based on the fact I talked to them like 100 times more then anyone else. Its alot easier to talk to someone over Instant messenger then through PM's. We were both online alot..and always talking and thats why I wanted to ally with her. In every ORG I play in I try and ally myself with the most active players. Ramona to me was the most active player just because she was always on MSN and I dont think there was one day where we didnt talk.
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Post by Colleen Haskell on Jul 1, 2008 12:23:19 GMT -4
BB, did I or did I not try to get answers from you for a better understanding and you told me that I would have to wait till the end of the game. All I wanted was simple answers in that time so I could calm down and you couldnt' do that for me.
Yes, what I said was not cool in the least bit but if you think that about me, how on earth can you agree with the things Ramona has said to people throughout this game and in her answers for the Final TC? She is just as classless and disrespectful as I was in this game.
(By the way, I apologize for the things I said - they do not surmount to the person I am in real life)
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Post by B.B. Andersen on Jul 1, 2008 13:10:38 GMT -4
I am very aware of what Ramona has said in the past and I was aware there was a chance she would come off the same way during this final tribal council. Its part of the reason why I chose to go to the end with Ramona.
I know you tried to get a better understanding after you were voted out but the reason i didnt want to talk to you or give you any information is because I saw how bitter you were and was worried any info I gave you would be told to the players still in the game. I figured the best thing was to say nothing untill now so I didnt blow my chance at getting here.
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Post by B.B. Andersen on Jul 1, 2008 13:16:36 GMT -4
Iam heading out for the day. I think its just Sean who has yet to ask a question or make a statement. If he does so while I am gone Ill answer tonight when I get home, aswell as make my closing statement.
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Post by Jeff Probst on Jul 1, 2008 13:26:46 GMT -4
BB is right. Sean is the last Juror that needs to ask his questions or make his statements.
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Post by Stacey Stillman on Jul 1, 2008 13:42:21 GMT -4
Thanks BB. Ramona answer it just like BB did.
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Post by Sean Kenniff on Jul 1, 2008 16:57:43 GMT -4
Hey Guys! It's nice to see that i got out becuase i was a threat becuase it was a smart move you guys played a great game and you can obviously see that its the other people who came after me who werent samrt enough to team up and get out either of you they decided to just playw ith you guys until it was their time to be up they never were playign to go to the finals EVER and that is what angers me I do not have questions more statements B.B - I think you played a great game but i do not agree with you taking Ramona to the end with you you said you played the same game as her but better? To me it seems as though your just giving her a chance to win cuz your the "nice" guy idk i just don't get it -Also it angered me when you ignored my pm like it wa sjust disrespectful Ramona- O Ramona! "Let's not get ghetto" Fun times Reading all of your statemnts and answers made me sick! It really did i feel as though how can a person be so vulgar and mean and minuplating I mean i no this is all in the spirit of the game but it is just dirty and i HATE it SOOOOO much! -One statement you made that stands out to me the most is that comign into this tribal council you do not want to be someone your not which i can agree with -but what scares me is the way your acting if this is really who you are thats not so great and i think you may need to change something Basically this is like a double edge sword i'd rather not vote for either of you but there is a clear cut choice on who to vote I really wish you guys the best of luck though! *If you respond to what i said in a mean way or anything then you don't get my vote i just want you guys to take in what i said and really take it to heart* Thanks -Sean
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Post by Ramona Gray on Jul 1, 2008 16:58:10 GMT -4
Ramona, I applaud you for your spirit and determination in this game although it has pissed many juries off. But it seem to me that you were aiming to get to the final 2 instead of winning the game. Why should I vote for you to win?
You know, you can't win the game unless you get to the final two. Fourteen of you did something that ended up costing you a spot here, though- you were playing with your mind on winning the final 2, and it may have cost you your opportunity to get here. Now that I am here, obviously I'd like to win.
Instead of sucking up to the seven of you, however, I decided to take another approach and show you the things I did during the game. I'll be the first to admit that BB was the better strategist of the two of us, but I was the one who did the dirty work. I volunteered to screw people over because I know I'm better at that kind of thing than BB is. He'd feel guilty, or let on too much, so I did the grunt work while he did most of the mind-work.
It's upto all of you to decide which you would rather vote for, but don't assume all I did was bitch- I did it strategically, and that's why I'm here. There were a few other players in the game who could have taken BB's place in our alliance and done the same job, but I can't really see anyone who would have been as good at convincing people I was working with them (repeatedly) and screwing them over time and again. You can say you didn't trust me after the first few times, but if that were the case, I would have been ineffective about collecting vital information and probably would have been voted out.
Like it or not, I had an important job within mine and BB's alliance, and I doubt any of you could have (or would have) done it even if the opportunity had presented itself. I hope you respect what I did to get here.
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Post by Ramona Gray on Jul 1, 2008 17:20:49 GMT -4
Stacey's QuestionColleen Personality + She tried to be friendly when she thought people were on her side Personality - She took being voted out way too seriously, and managed to piss me off for a good couple weeks before she was voted out. Gameplay + She seemed to be allied with everyone, and made it a major risk to try and take her out at all Gameplay - She said a few too many insulting things to members of Tagi about me... Gervase Personality + The Gervenator! Haha that was awesome, man... I loved the Gervenator. Personality - I don't really have a problem with him personality-wise. Gameplay + I think he was a good player, but just got caught with his pants down when Sean won immunity. Gameplay - I didn't know whether he was trustworthy or not, and even if he wasn't, he should have tried to come across as being trustworthy. Sean Personality + He seems friendly enough, and he's not racist lol Personality - He was friends with Kelly (who I dislike more than anyone else in this game, including Colleen). Gameplay + He was a strong player, and a very real challenge threat Gameplay - Once again, his alliance with Kelly was what screwed him over. If I hadn't known about that, he may have lasted a little longer. Sonja Personality + One of the nicest players in the game, I think she reminded me a bit of the real Sonja, minus the ukulele Personality - Can't say anything bad about her here Gameplay + She managed to get to the jury, didn't she? She lasted a long time on a weak tribe, and that says good things about her strategy. Gameplay - She wasn't very good at challenges (may have been intentional, I can't read her mind). Gretchen Personality + Was a very nice player, very friendly to me. Personality - Haha all the wnking and kissing icons in PMs... I don't swing that way, Gretchen Gameplay + A very smart player, the only one bright enough to seriously attempt taking me out. I hope there's no hard feelings about the use of the idol. Gameplay - Maybe not seeing that BB would tip me off about the vote. Or that BB voted for her. Stacey Personality + A friendly player, for sure, and didn't take being voted out personally. Personality - Gameplay + She seemed to be allied with everyone, and made it a major risk to try and take her out at all Gameplay - Two things. #1 was telling me she had a final 2 alliance with Sonja, and #2 was assuming I didn't know better about her not voting for Gretchen like I told her to. Joel Personality + He was very good at doing what he was told- he'd make a good President. Personality - He took my answers too personaly and won't vote for me now Gameplay + He flew under the radar, and was one power move or immunity challenge away from winning the game. Gameplay - When he suggested he vote for Sonja, when she clearly wasn't on the chopping block... I still don't comprehend that at all.
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Post by Jeff Probst on Jul 1, 2008 17:29:30 GMT -4
I think everyone has had their questions answered (correct me if I'm wrong), so BB and Ramona can make their closing statements now.
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Post by Ramona Gray on Jul 1, 2008 17:33:03 GMT -4
Ramona- O Ramona! "Let's not get ghetto" Fun times
Yeah, that was funny- I seriously didn't know, I swear!
Reading all of your statemnts and answers made me sick! It really did i feel as though how can a person be so vulgar and mean and minuplating I mean i no this is all in the spirit of the game but it is just dirty and i HATE it SOOOOO much!
Being mean and vulgar and manipulating is how I got to where I am. It kept people from wondering if I was close to BB, because it gave him an excuse to 'target' me at tribal councils before switching to our real target.
I don't see why it should make you sick- there are tons of people like my character in the world, and they're at the top of the huge corporations and running countries- that's why I decided to play the way I did. As the old saying (and the Green Day song) goes: 'Nice guys finish last'. I decided to be the polar opposite, and I knw most of you hate me for it, but you all also didn't expect me to be in the final two because after you were voted out, you each assumed the next person would try to take the most obvious target out.
-One statement you made that stands out to me the most is that comign into this tribal council you do not want to be someone your not which i can agree with -but what scares me is the way your acting if this is really who you are thats not so great and i think you may need to change something
This is a role-playing game, to some extent. I'd be shocked if Gervase was really a brother, or if Sonja was a ukulele-toting old lady, or Colleen was a Survivor Sweetheart. Likewise, I may or may not be an angry, manipulative witch with allegiance only to myself and to BB. I'd prefer if you didn't assume I was really like this though, but just that Ramona is.
If you don't like Ramona, that's fine- hell, for all you know, I don't like her either. But Ramona's gameplay was pretty smooth in my eyes. And now she's just making a point of proving it to the seven members of the jury.
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Post by Ramona Gray on Jul 1, 2008 17:44:38 GMT -4
My closing statements are that I hope you all respect my gameplay, and what I've done to get to the final two.
As much as most of you probably view me as a villain, I was a villain allied to the 'hero', BB, who worked with me to vote every single one of you out (except Joel- that was all BB, thanks to him winning the immunity). In that light, was I really that evil? Nah... I was playing a part that I wrote for myself, where I would ally you all to gather information.
Think what you will, but that's a hard job to do and not get caught, especially since it started with the very first Pagong Tribal Council, when I allied with Greg, then voted for Greg, then told Greg I didn't (laying the blame on the rest of his alliance), and then feeding him a losing score in the tie-breaker to send him home. I manipulated the situation so an alliance of 4 (that thought they were 3) was guaranteed to win a Tribal Council against another alliance of four (that thought they were 5). If I hadn't done that then, and continued to do similar things throughout the game, the opposing alliance would have cut down BB's alliance and he would have been gone before merge.
It might not appear that way at first glance, but had I not risked my arse time and again, BB, Gretchen and Gervase would have probably been the first three Pagongs sent home, and not two jury members and a final two candidate.
Thanks everyone.
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Post by Gretchen Cordy on Jul 1, 2008 18:48:02 GMT -4
Lol, I really trusted BB with my life. It's cool, man. And I just love emoticons! Anyways, its been great pleasure playing this game with all of you! Good luck once again, Ramona & BB.
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Post by Stacey Stillman on Jul 1, 2008 18:55:55 GMT -4
Thanks guys and Good Luck!
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Post by Sonja Christopher on Jul 1, 2008 19:12:20 GMT -4
The bad at challenges thing was intentional once we merged lol
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